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	<title>Comments on: Tunnel-vision</title>
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	<description>somewhere near the beginning.</description>
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		<title>By: AnonEcon</title>
		<link>http://www.tangentspace.net/cz/archives/2007/01/tunnel-vision/#comment-88657</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonEcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 18:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For 0.25: I calculated the stationary probabilities for the markov chain when the value of flowers is [tex]x[/tex], then reasoned that since for most of the periods the transition probabilities would be arbitrary close to the stationary values and therefore any strategy that gave strictly superior per-period payoffs for the stationary probabilities could not do worse than any other strategy over an infinite horizon.

For my variant: there are now two kinds  of states. The state S_on when the singer sings and manager gets 0.75 and from which we transition with equal probability to S_on and S_off(0). And the states S_off(K) where the singer is not singing and has already received K worth of flowers. If managers chooses to send I worth of flowers then we transition with probability [tex]\sqrt{K+I}[/tex] to state S_on and with the remaining probability to S_off(K+I). If the manager's income/expenditure in period t is [tex]P_t[/tex] then his goal is to maximize the expected value of
[tex]\sum_{t=0}^\infty {\beta^t P_t}[/tex]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 0.25: I calculated the stationary probabilities for the markov chain when the value of flowers is <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/9dd4e461268c8034f5c8564e155c67a6.png' title='x' alt='x' align='middle'/>, then reasoned that since for most of the periods the transition probabilities would be arbitrary close to the stationary values and therefore any strategy that gave strictly superior per-period payoffs for the stationary probabilities could not do worse than any other strategy over an infinite horizon.</p>
<p>For my variant: there are now two kinds  of states. The state S_on when the singer sings and manager gets 0.75 and from which we transition with equal probability to S_on and S_off(0). And the states S_off(K) where the singer is not singing and has already received K worth of flowers. If managers chooses to send I worth of flowers then we transition with probability <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/6f66958dbe146f94f00eebcb16995e44.png' title='\sqrt{K+I}' alt='\sqrt{K+I}' align='middle'/> to state S_on and with the remaining probability to S_off(K+I). If the manager&#8217;s income/expenditure in period t is <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/a71b9ae19e509388f5ab7bc3559a9109.png' title='P_t' alt='P_t' align='middle'/> then his goal is to maximize the expected value of<br />
<img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/a3fa33004b184483843874f295124976.png' title='\sum_{t=0}^\infty {\beta^t P_t}' alt='\sum_{t=0}^\infty {\beta^t P_t}' align='middle'/></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.tangentspace.net/cz/archives/2007/01/tunnel-vision/#comment-88451</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 07:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I got 0.25. What method did you use?

Hmm, what do you mean by 
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I assumed that it is the accumulated value of flowers that counts and that the manager discounts future incomes/expenditures at some rate [tex]\beta[/tex].
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I got 0.25. What method did you use?</p>
<p>Hmm, what do you mean by </p>
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I assumed that it is the accumulated value of flowers that counts and that the manager discounts future incomes/expenditures at some rate <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/b0603860fcffe94e5b8eec59ed813421.png' title='\beta' alt='\beta' align='middle'/>.
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		<title>By: AnonEcon</title>
		<link>http://www.tangentspace.net/cz/archives/2007/01/tunnel-vision/#comment-88342</link>
		<dc:creator>AnonEcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 05:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks! This problem is very interesting too. ([tex]x=0.25[/tex]?)

I was trying out a variant to teach myself how to solve dynamic programming problems numerically. I assumed that it is the accumulated value of flowers that counts and that the manager discounts future incomes/expenditures  at some rate [tex]\beta[/tex].

I got a surprising result: the optimum policy for the manager is to just send one shipment of flowers (whose value depends on [tex]\beta[/tex]) when she stops singing and send nothing after that till she starts singing again. 

Do you have any idea why this might be happening? I would have expected the manager to send a smaller bouquet to begin with and then some more flowers if that didn't work and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! This problem is very interesting too. (<img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/348156c12fb3e6a68e860e5b993912a0.png' title='x=0.25' alt='x=0.25' align='middle'/>?)</p>
<p>I was trying out a variant to teach myself how to solve dynamic programming problems numerically. I assumed that it is the accumulated value of flowers that counts and that the manager discounts future incomes/expenditures  at some rate <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/b0603860fcffe94e5b8eec59ed813421.png' title='\beta' alt='\beta' align='middle'/>.</p>
<p>I got a surprising result: the optimum policy for the manager is to just send one shipment of flowers (whose value depends on <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/b0603860fcffe94e5b8eec59ed813421.png' title='\beta' alt='\beta' align='middle'/>) when she stops singing and send nothing after that till she starts singing again. </p>
<p>Do you have any idea why this might be happening? I would have expected the manager to send a smaller bouquet to begin with and then some more flowers if that didn&#8217;t work and so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.tangentspace.net/cz/archives/2007/01/tunnel-vision/#comment-88169</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each night that she refuses to sing, the promoter buys [tex] 10,000 x [/tex] worth of flowers.

By the way, nice proof!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each night that she refuses to sing, the promoter buys <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/a56d2213c705430f8ea7abfcb851cc59.png' title=' 10,000 x ' alt=' 10,000 x ' align='middle'/> worth of flowers.</p>
<p>By the way, nice proof!</p>
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		<title>By: AnonEcon</title>
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		<dc:creator>AnonEcon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 10:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...by sending her flowers every day...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is [tex]x[/tex] the accumulated value of the flowers sent to her since she last stopped singing, or the value of flowers sent to her tonight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;by sending her flowers every day&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Is <img src='/cz/latexrender/pictures/9dd4e461268c8034f5c8564e155c67a6.png' title='x' alt='x' align='middle'/> the accumulated value of the flowers sent to her since she last stopped singing, or the value of flowers sent to her tonight?</p>
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